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all right here we go welcome to it uap

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studies podcast i always get charged up

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listening to our music man that's a

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wicked little intro we got and uh it

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puts me in the mood to have a good show

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so my name is louis borges joining me as

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always my illustrious co-host jason

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gilbert how are you my friend i'm doing

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very good how are you sir i'm doing

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really good really good uh happy to be

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here again recording another show

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we keep getting lots of good uh press

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all these good things that keep telling

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good things keep it coming we like it we

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tune in every week so thank you to

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everybody who's doing that uh we wanted

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to kind of have a show today to talk a

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little bit about uh uap programming like

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television series uh documentaries on

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netflix and amazon prime and that type

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of stuff you know based on our opinion

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this is kind of like the sig not the

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siegfried and roy the siskel and ebert

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is what i meant to say uh siskel and

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eber oh come on well siegfried and roy

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were into lions and stuff that's kind of

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yeah we're not so much yeah i think one

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of them got eaten though so we probably

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shouldn't go too deep into that i think

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uap is a lot safer of a

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of an industry than taming lines or

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whatever right nobody's tamed any grays

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yet so we should probably not relate it

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to that we know of that we know of yeah

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so so we're going to mention some of our

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opinions about certain programs that

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we've watched uh some that we like some

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that we think are full of it uh

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obviously judge for yourself but um

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let's get right into it so roll the dice

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here we'll pick a show like let's pick a

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popular show like ancient aliens on the

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history channel

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oh you starts with an a i like starts

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with an a yeah that's just

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alphabetically what do you think ancient

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aliens yeah your name

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well i'm gonna say yay for

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you know

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up to year eight i think but year eight

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i think they kind of start running out

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of material

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and they start rehashing stories that

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we've already seen it just maybe have a

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different spin on it maybe a newer

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interview about the same subject but

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to me i thought it was a little bit more

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repetitive things that we've already

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covered

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so yeah i i would say up to about season

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eight i love the show for me when i

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first watched it i was sort of still

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really skeptical minded about a lot of

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things and it just seemed like every

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astronomical phenomenon they were

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looking at or any ancient ruin it always

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had to tie into it must be aliens like

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and at some point you know

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i remember i watched one episode and i

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was three quarters of the way into it

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into it and i thought you know what

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they're actually putting some pretty

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plausible information out there yeah and

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it was just like a quick left turn right

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into the aliens and i thought you know

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now you're kind of getting stupid but

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you know oddly enough and the more i've

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gotten into this subject and research

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and talk to people and be on the show

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with you and you know you get these

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people that fill in these gaps um and

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then you kind of relate it back to

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ancient you know

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civilizations and structures and things

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like that it's not all that crazy

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anymore

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and i've subsequently gone back and

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watched most of the episodes again right

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from season one up until the ones

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they're putting out now um i noticed

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recently the ones they're releasing seem

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to be almost a covid version of it where

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it's like four guys in a studio just

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chatting about their opinion they're

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doing a video podcast essentially rather

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than oh

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professional filming and different like

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cut scenes and different they don't have

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as many people on an episode as they

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used to so maybe that's a byproduct of

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the pandemic and that type of thing but

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point recently again i do agree with you

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there's a lot of rehashing it seems

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because there's only so many ancient

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ruins in the world that you can talk

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about and i mean stuff is constantly

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being discovered but i i can see it

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being a little tough for new material at

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times you know one of the they do

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mention you know about history being

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whenever there's a war even what's going

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on in the ukraine right now

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we completely annihilate the culture

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like we destroy their statues we destroy

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their libraries and we do that over

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conquering over we've done this for how

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many millennias like

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yeah history was written by the winners

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of the wars yeah so there's a bunch of

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this could have happened to them but

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maybe they were ahead in you know the

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way that they were building their

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buildings maybe they did get help from

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somewhere that it doesn't make sense

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there's a big hole there that sort of

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leaves

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the plausibility at least

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that ufos or you know extraterrestrial

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life actually helped us out

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many times in the past right

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some of these ruins are just incredible

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though like you take the the temple of

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balbach in lebanon um which was

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subsequently built over by the romans to

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be the temp temple of jupiter or

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something like that so and it that's

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actually a commonality around the world

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a lot of these sacred sites have many

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layers of other sacred sites you know

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whether the side a or side b won the

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conflict they seem to almost have

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reverence for that space and even if

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they destroy the old temple they usually

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rebuilt their own in the same spot but

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if you look at ball back there's three

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times or sorry three stones that i think

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they're like 700 tons each

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like ridiculous these are 50 foot long

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by 10 foot high

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by 30 foot wide kind of thing and

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they're slid in the middle of the

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structure almost in like jenga fashion

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so obviously if you want to go for easy

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you don't play with rocks that size

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right we build in bricks that you can

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carry with your hands right we haven't

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been you know building monolithic stones

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for years and years and years um

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so but if you look at the amount of

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effort it would have gone into to quarry

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those in one piece

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at a time where they're supposed to be

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using like what bone tools maybe bronze

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at best or copper tools the some of

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these stones are way harder than the

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tools they supposedly had and the amount

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of precision that they used to to quarry

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could barely do that by today's

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standards and they didn't even use them

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as a foundation stones they put them in

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the middle yeah they had to get them 20

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or 30 feet off the ground just to make

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it that much harder like who would go

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through that

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and you know what we're taught is a time

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frame where we can barely forage for

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enough food to keep ourselves sustained

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who's gonna burn those calories to do

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that [\h__\h] it doesn't make any sense the

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average lifespan was 24 years old

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exactly you're not going to dedicate

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half of your life to something unless

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you truly believe that it's worth it or

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and i don't even necessarily believe

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that it was technology passed on to us

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by these ancients because even if we had

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the mathematical plans to do it we don't

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have the technology or the ability to do

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it you know even by today's standards

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with our current technology and our

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current machinery and everything else

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some of these stones you'd have to drag

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them over mountain and water and

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everything else why the hell would you

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do that you know you'd make a shrine

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sure i mean every culture has looked to

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the heavens for some kind of

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spiritual benefit but you could simplify

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that you don't god's not telling you to

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build something like that so why did

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they do that and why is it prevalent so

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many places you know stonehenge and

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everything else why do you need 150 ton

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stones to prove a point it's amazing or

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build a culture around like you got

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egypt and then you got mexico that have

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these pyramids

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and it seems like cultures were built

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around this concept and they don't seem

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to be the same age you look at south

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america you look at africa there's even

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ones in europe that they found you know

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i think in serbia they found pyramids

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hidden in jungle ruins and some kid from

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montreal found a a google image of a

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piece of the jungle that he said hey

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there's something buried under there and

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sure enough it's a lost city so they all

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seemed to be the same time frame but all

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across the planet like nobody would

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communicate at that time you know like

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there was no internets there was no mail

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most of these cultures didn't even know

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other cultures existed outside of their

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own so the commonality on that is

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amazing it would certainly

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they have a point you know like if there

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is some type of ancient

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and again the ancient alien theory is

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multifaceted it's not only ruins it's

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you know the panspermia theory maybe

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we're receded maybe it's a hybrid

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project i mean there's many facets of

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this quote-unquote ancient alien theory

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but if you just want to look at it from

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an archaeological point of view you know

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the the raw goods you know the sphinx

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and all that stuff the sphinx you know

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the damage around the feet is water

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erosion it's not from wind or anything

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else so the last time there was water

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there was many thousands of years you

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know longer than they thought the sphinx

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could possibly be old so some of these

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things that they thought were 4000 bc

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are more like 10 or 12 000 bc and maybe

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even that's not accurate because you

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can't carbon date stone and you know and

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most organic material withers away after

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a certain number of years they really

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don't know how old this stuff is and

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that goes for incan ruins aztec ruins um

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you know pumapunku in peru

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they have these h-cut blocks

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and it's like a small h inside a bigger

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h a bigger it's almost like the russian

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doll right they made their joints so

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friggin complicated and there's even

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some stones that are so well preserved

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that if you run your thumb down one of

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those lines you'll cut yourself it's

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like they were laser etched and this is

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at a time where

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you know they were drinking out of pig

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bladders and carrying basket like we're

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nowhere near as advanced as we were

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supposedly you know

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what it had to been to build it yeah

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well we always have these concepts of

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like well what what it would be like to

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live back then but we really have no

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idea

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like you would die from everything like

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if you made it to the age of like 12

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good chances you're gonna see adulthood

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right yeah because most most people died

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yeah the birth rate was very very low

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that's why everybody had 30 kids because

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15 of them weren't going to make it you

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know yeah so you know

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cable tv so what else are you gonna do

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yeah but still at some point fake a

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headache or something you know

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there's no advil back then

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there's a lot of headaches yeah but uh

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yeah to spend that much time and not

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only that but to have the technology

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that they use just suddenly disappear

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like there's no tools ever found

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around these sites that say oh they use

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this right so yeah it is a mystery a lot

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of these ancient epics you know they

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they read like uh

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like like science fiction you know a lot

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of the east indian culture with the

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vedas and the mahabharata they talk

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about flying ships like literally

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machines having wars in the sky shooting

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beams and lasers at each other and bombs

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and all that and this is like thousands

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of years ago like the the thought of

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flight wasn't even

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conjured as far as we know and yet they

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seem to have what they believe to be a

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real depiction and nobody that's that

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believes in that faith

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it's not supposed to be lore it's

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supposed to be true yeah that actually

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happened right they take it literal so i

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mean either they witness something or

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you know there's a part of our own

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history that we don't know about maybe

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you know they talk about anti-diluvian

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societies you know the flood that

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destroyed everyone who knows what was

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before that who knows if it even

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happened but

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you know it's it's bizarre when all the

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major religions seem to have a similar

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story um and they don't agree on

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anything else globally but yet certain

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key fundamental blocks of main religion

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seems to

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all go together with that right that you

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know i think we're a lot older than we

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think we are

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and

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again there's been many extinctions on

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this planet i mean if even if you want

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to look at a scientific level look at

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flight flight has evolved four separate

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times on the planet earth so there would

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be a society maybe it was insect form or

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whatever or you know a culture of

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animals there's a huge die off an

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extinction event things bounce back they

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rebound flight evolve in another way

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maybe become birds this time so the

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point is and again this is researchable

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don't take my word for it go do your own

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research but yeah flight has evolved on

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this planet four separate times from

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what we believe to be nothing so either

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it was aided or maybe that's just the

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course of evolution everywhere maybe we

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could totally expect that if there is

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life elsewhere yeah it could look close

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to us and they could have animals and

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insects and birds and all that stuff on

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their planet too because maybe that's

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just the eventual course of all life

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if you blow yourself up or pollute your

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genome you go extinct it sparks up again

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and you give this another round so who

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knows who knows how many takes there

367
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have been at this you know and if you

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look at ancient alien ruins or the

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theory of ancient aliens in relation to

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the ruins it would certainly make sense

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that that you know there's some credence

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there and every alien that they mention

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on their

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because there's quite a bit i'm not all

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familiar with them

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but they're all bipeds yeah right

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they're all

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relatively humanoid yes

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very much so uh and hybrids two legs two

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arms they don't they're not like octopus

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walking on the ground no just like oh it

382
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was bubbles that came out of you know

383
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a flying saucer that's not the case

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so

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to me i find that funny it's it's always

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bipeds

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and humanoid

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it's like you know we come from far or

389
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from wherever they are from and

390
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they're all humanoids yeah so yeah i

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find there there are reports of like

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reptilians and if you want to get into

393
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cryptids and you know like skin walkers

394
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or like

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half wolf bipedal wolf looking things

396
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bigfoot

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even fairies like i saw a video from

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somebody's doorbell camera the other day

399
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i posted it on my facebook page it's a

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legit fairy flying in front of the

401
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doorbell camera sort of pauses and takes

402
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off like this thing's maybe four or five

403
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inches that has human arms and legs and

404
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wings and away it goes like what the

405
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hell is that that's not an insect of any

406
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sort and yeah there's a lot of fake

407
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stuff but that's not the only video

408
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claiming to be of such too you know so

409
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oh man we probably killed so many of

410
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them with our uh lanterns outside you

411
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know the ones that zap the bugs oh yeah

412
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i never thought of that you know yeah

413
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really big zap maybe yeah yeah maybe we

414
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did some damage to something yeah

415
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yeah if they're involved enough to still

416
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be around they should know to avoid the

417
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bug zapper though come on well yeah you

418
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think at this point they would have

419
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learned but who knows or or go extinct

420
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yeah

421
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decide to go um okay so

422
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we'll move on to another another show

423
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here yeah i was gonna say ancient aliens

424
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we're both a yay for ancient aliens

425
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check it out there's a lot of older

426
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episodes that they don't show on uh on

427
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your sort of on demand or whatever but

428
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you can youtube them and i'm sure

429
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:07,680
there's other ways of finding older

430
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:08,959
episodes as well if you're internet

431
00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:10,959
savvy so uh yeah we definitely think

432
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it's a yay so let's move on to

433
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unidentified uh inside america's ufo

434
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investigation which is a history channel

435
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program that was produced by well

436
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co-produced by luis salazando

437
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and it basically started the breaking of

438
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the uh the story of the nimitz and the

439
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uss princeton the tic tac video the

440
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gimbal the go fast you know that's uh

441
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that was the first time on on public

442
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cable television that somebody made an

443
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attempt to uh decipher this story and

444
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he's had a lot of reputable people on

445
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that show a lot of guests have been on

446
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our show you know like sean cahill and

447
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that type of thing and uh so what do you

448
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think about lu elizondo's show that's

449
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what put him on the map yeah i i loved

450
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the show i was looking forward to it uh

451
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when it was announced i saw the first

452
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season saw the second season i liked

453
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them both

454
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i think now

455
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looking back i could see the production

456
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value that went into those shows so i i

457
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could see where the

458
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wanting to disclose more information

459
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format and the entertainment value like

460
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there's tons of stuff that was recorded

461
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that

462
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did make the cut

463
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into the show and it's

464
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you know the drama was there like what

465
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did you see did it you know like the you

466
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could definitely tell there was a

467
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production value to it so

468
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but i love the show i i like the spin on

469
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it like the fact that we had senator

470
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harry that was on it as well

471
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um

472
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and they covered basically all the

473
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aspects from the nimitz incidents to

474
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what's happening now in the ufo world

475
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right or at least up to the last two

476
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years anyways

477
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so yeah i like both season what did you

478
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think of them i i think there's things

479
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that we take for granted now that we

480
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know just off-the-cuff information

481
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that are attributed to that show you

482
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know like like i said i think luis

483
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elizondo it was a chance for him to tell

484
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his story you know maybe a little bob

485
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lazarian to sort of

486
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come clean and put your face on tv maybe

487
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that's the only way you're secure in

488
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this type of thing if you're going to

489
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take those kind of risks is

490
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actually come out not be you know a

491
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darkened face or a garbled voice on a

492
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recording

493
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but you know guys like sean cahill

494
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and um you know

495
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mr voorhees as well like many of these

496
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:27,120
guys have been on this show but the

497
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people that were involved in the

498
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hands-on viewing

499
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subsequent scientists um you know the

500
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the bigger minds and brains the chris

501
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mellons of the world tom de long

502
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everybody who we now just assume that's

503
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always been part of this uh we didn't

504
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know who they were until the show

505
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so

506
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you know i always have a skeptical um

507
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kind of a filter on things when i watch

508
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it for the first time i'm kind of i'm

509
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always trying to think like what's the

510
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:53,679
end game why yeah okay great there's a

511
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show about aliens on tv they're not

512
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gonna i i'm skeptical right so i'm

513
00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:58,559
automatically thinking i'm not gonna

514
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:01,520
gain anything from it but why you know

515
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and i think it's a positive thing the

516
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fact that a major television

517
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uh network and many networks now are

518
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agreeing to run these series for more

519
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than one year in a lot of cases uh it

520
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:14,320
tells you that they're spending money on

521
00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:16,000
it and they're making money people are

522
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:18,320
watching it if you don't watch your show

523
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,919
advertisers don't want to advertise on

524
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:21,919
that show there's no ratings and there's

525
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:24,400
no viewers who wants to pay you know

526
00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:25,840
eighty five thousand dollars to have

527
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your commercial run on a history channel

528
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show in

529
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you know

530
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on a wednesday afternoon so the ratings

531
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have to be there there has to be enough

532
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:39,280
of a thirst for knowledge for these uh

533
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,960
networks to agree to continue to fund

534
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,880
this type of stuff right so for that

535
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:44,559
reason alone i think it's good it's

536
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:46,720
making it digestible enough that the

537
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:48,400
average person who's kind of halfway

538
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:50,559
interested or maybe doesn't even know

539
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:51,840
maybe they just don't know anything

540
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:52,960
about this

541
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at least it's

542
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:56,320
it's not crossing the line it's not

543
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,400
giving you bad information right it

544
00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:00,080
might be dumbed down

545
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:02,080
slightly filtered maybe a little bit

546
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:03,679
altered just because they know it's

547
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:05,919
going out to everybody but at least it's

548
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there

549
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,400
shows that were legitimate series on the

550
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,240
subject and they certainly didn't

551
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,480
feature government and military people

552
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,720
willing to talk on the record so

553
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,400
you know hats off to them i know luis

554
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,720
elizondo did mention that he kind of

555
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,880
split from to the stars academy because

556
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:24,640
they wanted to continue to stay media

557
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:26,640
based he wanted to do other things with

558
00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,280
this whole uh platform that he now has

559
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:31,120
but i think that was the springboard and

560
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,880
he wouldn't have a platform if it wasn't

561
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:34,640
for that show yeah

562
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:35,600
i mean

563
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,640
it launched lou quite a bit

564
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,320
but i think yeah the creative

565
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:42,320
differences between what the show wanted

566
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:43,679
and keep in mind they haven't come out

567
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,520
with the third season

568
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:47,840
right so i don't think they're going to

569
00:19:50,830 --> 00:19:49,760
i think it was uh i think it's been

570
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:50,840
cancelled

571
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,679
yeah unless they're gonna start i think

572
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,200
we're revealing his choice though i have

573
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,960
heard him go on the record saying that

574
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:58,960
he had the opportunity and just decided

575
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:01,840
not to so oh gotcha yeah yeah because i

576
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:02,960
think you know there's still

577
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,559
investigations going on he has his own

578
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,880
way of going about what he's doing right

579
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,559
and plus i've seen

580
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,320
as of late lose

581
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,200
on twitter is hasn't been as active as a

582
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:17,200
lot of people been attacking them and

583
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,640
that's what happens

584
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,640
you end up being the person that's up

585
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,320
front leading the charge people are

586
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,760
going to throw rocks

587
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:25,840
and uh you see that happen with him so i

588
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,559
hope he's okay i hope

589
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,320
wherever he's at there that uh he's

590
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:32,080
recouping from

591
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,039
twitter

592
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,799
and focusing on whatever it is that he

593
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,799
needs to focus on money from this this

594
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,640
is not ben

595
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,320
this is a bit of pain in the ass to him

596
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,880
and his family and i'm sure his wife or

597
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:44,640
kids or whatever have said like just

598
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:47,200
forget it go do something else like it's

599
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:48,799
gone further than you thought it was

600
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,440
gonna go just forget about it but him uh

601
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,440
you know unlike george or like george

602
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,760
knapp and other guys even you know like

603
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,840
you eric von daniken and those guys you

604
00:21:03,110 --> 00:20:59,600
write a book chair to the cherry to the

605
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:03,120
gods in like the 70s and uh you know it

606
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,679
gained huge movement and people

607
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,760
a lot of the ufologists nowadays and

608
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:09,280
guys that have been in this for decades

609
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,400
has been because of some of those

610
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,480
pioneers so yeah he's kind of like a

611
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,720
modern-day pioneer and if he's the first

612
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,720
person you got this message from

613
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:19,039
uh then you know it started something

614
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:20,320
within you right if you're listening to

615
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:21,280
this show

616
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,480
and you didn't know anything about this

617
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,559
before luella zondo you can thank him

618
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,480
for getting you into this you know it's

619
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,240
it's a super interesting topic it'll

620
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:31,039
drive you nuts uh it'll prevent you from

621
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,799
really finding the answer but that's

622
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,799
what makes it cool you know easy things

623
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,840
are easy

624
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,400
so yeah two years of doing this and i

625
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,559
still have no clue what the whole this

626
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,480
whole phenomenon is about speak to the

627
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,320
more for the further away it seems to be

628
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:45,840
getting too yeah

629
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,880
just when you think you're making

630
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,200
progress it's like oh it's not actual

631
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,720
nuts and bolts craft yeah they're

632
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,559
they're interdimensional they're they

633
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,240
exist at a quantum level they can you

634
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,240
know de-materialize and like wait a

635
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,559
minute i know a lot about this stuff and

636
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,320
it's really bothering me now that i feel

637
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,640
like i don't know anything you know so

638
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,559
it humbles you for sure

639
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,159
yeah well there's got to be some sort of

640
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,240
validity to those uh

641
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,679
claims because

642
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,360
some of the stuff that these crafts are

643
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,039
capable of doing is just appearing and

644
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,679
disappearing in one spot or

645
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,679
appearing at three different places at

646
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,320
the same time like a lot like what

647
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:22,880
electrons do around right so

648
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,840
it's just weird uh yeah so i'm gonna say

649
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:26,559
that

650
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,919
both those shows season one season two

651
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:31,840
great shows i would definitely recommend

652
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,240
them for yeah yeah it was well done it's

653
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,559
produced well they uh refrained from

654
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,320
being too opinionated it's like they

655
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,640
knew that people were gonna just break

656
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,799
them over the coals if they even said

657
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,320
the slightest thing that could be taken

658
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,559
the wrong way so they definitely made it

659
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:48,799
clear that here's our position we don't

660
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:49,600
know

661
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,880
threat somebody's looking at it and

662
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,720
we're getting to the bottom of it right

663
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,559
but on them for keeping it real i'm a

664
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,280
yay for uh unidentified inside america's

665
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,600
ufo investigation

666
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,679
good now

667
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,120
you want to talk about steven grier's

668
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,520
movies i like stephen greer i know we've

669
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,159
chatted at length and uh sometimes the

670
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,640
opinions vary a bit but i think when he

671
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,200
first came out with unacknowledged

672
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,520
i mean here's an emergency room

673
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,679
physician this guy and i was a med

674
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:21,200
student so i understand the path it

675
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,240
would have taken to become a

676
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,640
full-fledged doctor and cardiologist and

677
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,919
all the rest i decided to be an

678
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:28,080
entrepreneur instead it matches my

679
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,679
personality better

680
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,360
but i had the grades to do it if i

681
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,200
wanted to right so i have a real

682
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,360
appreciation for this guy because to be

683
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,840
an emergency room doctor is not any

684
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,600
doctor wants to do this or is even

685
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,240
capable your average family physician

686
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,320
is kind of like a veterinarian they have

687
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,720
time they have study guides they have

688
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,720
people they can ask for advice and

689
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,720
opinions and if it's the subject they're

690
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,320
not familiar with they refer you to a

691
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,159
specialist right a guy that's an

692
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,000
emergency room tech has

693
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,919
seconds to decide what to do to save

694
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,080
somebody's life a guy comes in with a

695
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,919
chainsaw in his head

696
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,440
you're the guy to figure out hey what do

697
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,480
we do doc so for a guy to take that type

698
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,400
of career he's already making crazy

699
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,559
money and doing all that and he did have

700
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:12,480
a near-death experience as a younger

701
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,679
person

702
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,919
he knows what it's like to die this is

703
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,279
according to him

704
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,120
and when you when you know death you

705
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,799
don't fear death and that kind of

706
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,880
changed his outlook on a lot of things

707
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,640
got into esoteric sciences and

708
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,640
meditation and all that and made a

709
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,240
full-fledged transition from being an

710
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,960
emergency room doctor to being one of

711
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:33,120
the main proponents and the main reason

712
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,880
that that 2001 um press club conference

713
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,120
happened in washington and you had all

714
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,360
these guys that worked for you know the

715
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,440
the faa and for the government and even

716
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,360
paul hellyer the minister of canadian

717
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,159
defense and all these big names all

718
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,400
testified in front of congress or it was

719
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,960
kind of like a sub testimonial it wasn't

720
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,200
officially in congress but it was the

721
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,840
national press club and they all got to

722
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,279
say their piece they went on for days

723
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,679
and days and that's what really got him

724
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:03,039
started so when he came out with this

725
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:03,919
movie

726
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,440
um it basically it's it's the story of

727
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,840
what's led up to now right right you

728
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:11,840
know it's it's the fill into the data

729
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,039
from area 51 and you know project blue

730
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,279
book well what's happened since then if

731
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,200
you don't know watch unacknowledge and

732
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,120
you know even steven tyler was on the

733
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,799
joe rogan podcast and he just kept

734
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,919
saying it you got to watch

735
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,159
unacknowledged yeah what is it you got

736
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,159
to watch unacknowledged so yeah that's

737
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,320
my advice too i'm a big yay

738
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,159
i think it's on amazon prime maybe some

739
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,080
other platforms right now but

740
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:36,960
yeah no i'll give it an a as well

741
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,760
because i really like those movies i've

742
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,240
had my opinions obviously at times about

743
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,760
certain things about

744
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,799
dr grier's career but it's i do agree

745
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,720
with what you're saying if it's not for

746
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,000
him you know having that press

747
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,520
conference

748
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,760
that put a lot of pressure it should

749
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,000
have gotten way much more publicity than

750
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,279
it did get yeah you're right um

751
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:01,360
but no anything he comes out with i do

752
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,240
watch

753
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,200
and now i i can sense the hesitation in

754
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,120
your voice because i'm your buddy

755
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,039
so let's talk about movie number two

756
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,440
this is where it all comes together so

757
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,679
second movie is close encounters of the

758
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,080
fifth kind and these aren't like

759
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,360
fictional movies this is like a

760
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,679
documentary based movie close encounters

761
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,440
of the fifth kind i guess it's kind of

762
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,279
like a play on that steven spielberg

763
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,120
close encounters with the third kind but

764
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,960
there are legitimate you know close

765
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,559
encounter the first kind as you see a

766
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,799
craft or you see a light close encounter

767
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,880
the second time you actually you know

768
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,360
see the the inhabitants kind of thing

769
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,480
third kind you interact with life

770
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,600
and then you make it all the way up to

771
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,600
the fifth kind which is collective

772
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:42,960
meditation

773
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,240
causing visitation like you summon them

774
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,320
and they come to you if you're right of

775
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,360
heart and right of mind so now it's gone

776
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,840
way out there in quantum land so i know

777
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,320
you're a little bit skeptical because he

778
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,559
is charging for these courses now right

779
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,720
like i think you pay five grand to go

780
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:03,200
sit in a desert new mexico and yeah

781
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:04,840
bring your own lunch

782
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,799
maybe some lights flashing in the desert

783
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,960
but yeah but if you watch the actual

784
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:10,640
documentary a lot of the information

785
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,279
that he talks about was like you know

786
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,120
legitimate government people that wanted

787
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,120
to have disclosure many years ago in the

788
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,000
80s and early 90s and they were stifled

789
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,799
by either government um sort of covert

790
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,279
projects or legitimate spooky [\h__\h] that

791
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,720
scared the hell out of people that said

792
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,799
i don't want to go into this any further

793
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,200
so i think the second movie is a lot

794
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,600
more on like an esoteric level

795
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,600
it's kind of like

796
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,679
going down the rabbit hole in terms of

797
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,840
what does this all mean he's now a big

798
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,760
proponent of consciousness and we're all

799
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,320
one and when we realize that we become

800
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:46,159
just like the aliens so it's a little

801
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,799
bit deep it's easily digestible though

802
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,960
it's not over most people's pay grade

803
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,640
you might have to watch it once or twice

804
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,960
but my advice if you watch something he

805
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,720
says it doesn't quite jive rewind it

806
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,559
watch it again watch it two or three

807
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,960
times it'll make sense and i think he's

808
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,600
a lot more brilliant than we think

809
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,520
i think he's gone a little bit crazy but

810
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,120
maybe he's like

811
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,520
punch drunk love kind of thing like he's

812
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,919
had legitimate imagine if what he's

813
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,240
saying is true he's gone in the desert

814
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,159
he's collectively meditated where people

815
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:18,799
feel love and oneness and they've

816
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,480
reached out they've had a a common idea

817
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,720
and um you know they're summoning these

818
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,559
things like come see us you're welcome

819
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,799
here we want to interact with you

820
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,039
imagine that [\h__\h] actually works you'd

821
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,720
go kind of cuckoo too and that's all you

822
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,399
would be focused on for the rest of your

823
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,799
life if it actually works so i think his

824
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,360
current behavior matches somebody who's

825
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,159
had success from something that is legit

826
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,120
and not quite as crazy as we think

827
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,200
and he's just a big brain and those

828
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,200
people are a little bit strange anyway

829
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,720
but i think stephen greer is the real

830
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,200
deal maybe i'm yeah if it wasn't male on

831
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,200
that but i think he's a real deal if it

832
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,440
wasn't because of the amount of money

833
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,919
that he charges people and that he's

834
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,840
charged people before for

835
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,360
you know a lot of different things

836
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,880
throughout his career

837
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,279
but if it was true

838
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,760
that he can actually you know as a group

839
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,840
if we all meditate and focus so we can

840
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:13,840
make them appear

841
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,720
he's capitalizing on it right he's

842
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,960
making money off of it it's like a tour

843
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,200
guide now like come out to the desert

844
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,840
and we'll all meditate making 400k a

845
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,559
year as an er physician so should

846
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,120
somebody be able to feed their family

847
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:32,080
and do something they love yeah um if

848
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,120
it's based on negative terms uh you know

849
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,120
yeah i don't think so but i don't

850
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:38,799
begrudge anybody making a living for

851
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,399
sure if if it if it makes you a better

852
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,559
person if you go if you go to the frig

853
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,480
in south america and have an ayahuasca

854
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,399
trip and the guy that organizes that's

855
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,760
making 10 grand a month i don't give a

856
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,919
[\h__\h] if that changes my life it was

857
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,520
worth it for me so

858
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:55,120
i don't begrudge of making a living i

859
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,480
don't think people should get rich off

860
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,000
of this stuff but see if if if i was

861
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,279
guaranteed to see ufos and have one of

862
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,039
those trips uh

863
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,200
then it would be worth the money right

864
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,000
yeah i'd be like yeah let's get uh so

865
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,640
you need to do ayahuasca and see aliens

866
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,799
isn't that enough to kill most people i

867
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:17,360
just let's bring it on

868
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,799
let's just see how i'm gonna be here and

869
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,200
i could make myself i'm paying that kind

870
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,919
of money i want my money's worth uh so

871
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,200
if you want you could eat a bunch of

872
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,120
mushrooms and i'll dress up like a gray

873
00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:28,559
and just scare the [\h__\h] out of you i'll

874
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:30,830
do it for half price that's not the same

875
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,159
[Laughter]

876
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,919
all right so we're both a yes for

877
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,080
stephen greer sometimes begrudgingly but

878
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,640
we're both a yay yes i want to say the

879
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:42,880
the encounters of the fifth kind like i

880
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:45,760
said i'm not a huge believer in

881
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:48,799
what says ce5 is is the term for it uh

882
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,200
i'm not a huge believer in that i'm a

883
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,039
huge believer in that i think it's real

884
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,200
well see well there you go then try to

885
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,440
convert me it has to be bro at the plank

886
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,679
scale we are all one like i'm into that

887
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,200
maybe i'm just a hippie at heart or

888
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,880
something but yeah i think you could get

889
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,480
there i'm pretty sure

890
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,480
everything magical happens if you can

891
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,399
really get your brain

892
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,480
i i think there's something to it maybe

893
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,559
it's a little bit over dramatized i've

894
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,519
heard reports that he's timed flares

895
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,960
like there's been planes that drop

896
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,120
flares and then hey everybody look it's

897
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,360
those red globe like i don't know

898
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,120
i've heard that he's full of [\h__\h] but i

899
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:24,799
i really want to believe that he's not

900
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,200
and yeah mainly not because of him i

901
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:29,279
could care less about him i just wish it

902
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,399
was true that we could actually

903
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,720
interface with these things if we get

904
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,880
disciplined enough if we get pure enough

905
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,880
at heart we can make that happen i'd

906
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:39,279
like to believe that that's possible so

907
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,640
i don't want to believe it's it's all

908
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,240
fake so that's why i'm giving him a

909
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,960
thumbs up optimistic everybody that gets

910
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,519
like a really close encounter with

911
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,679
any entities it's always because they're

912
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,840
at the wrong place wrong time

913
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,760
you know like they're i was driving by

914
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:56,240
myself down this dark road of course you

915
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,120
were

916
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,200
like every time you're isolated they're

917
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,880
like hey that's easy pickings let's go

918
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,200
after that and that's usually those are

919
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,799
the lucky people you know the people

920
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,799
that actually the intention behind those

921
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,200
type of encounters is not the same as

922
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,799
we're summoning them

923
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:12,559
to come and you know enlighten us or

924
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,919
even just show that they're there you

925
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,279
know i've heard stories of people that

926
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,679
said they were meditating and they saw a

927
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,840
craft and it zipped off and they were

928
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,080
like oh no come back and the thing came

929
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,000
back and then stayed for a second and

930
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,559
then zipped off again so there they

931
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:28,720
understood their petition they could you

932
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,440
know

933
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,200
so i'd like to believe it's real i

934
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,640
haven't had one of those experiences

935
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,880
i'll be honest but all right so i'd like

936
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,799
to try it for sure i'd like to get to

937
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,960
that master of your domain level where

938
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:40,799
you could actually communicate with some

939
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,679
ancient

940
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,919
ideas maybe it's just transient energy

941
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,919
that's like a radio station that we can

942
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,519
all uplink to

943
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,000
and download info maybe that's just the

944
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,720
sum of all the knowledge of the cosmos

945
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,720
is available at some level if you're

946
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,960
there you know yeah if you're the master

947
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:58,960
kind of thing right so i just think it's

948
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,480
super cool so i don't want to [\h__\h] on it

949
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,399
fair enough that's the one

950
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,159
no like i said i'll watch anything that

951
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,159
he comes out with like i watch his

952
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,399
documentaries but i

953
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,279
for that one i'm i wasn't too keen on it

954
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:15,760
as much as maybe you were but yeah i'm

955
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:18,880
gonna give uh i'm gonna give a b

956
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,480
to uh yeah dr gur movies yeah so i know

957
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,720
we've been uh these are all pro who do

958
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,039
you know that you think is just totally

959
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:28,799
full of it like let's give our our

960
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,159
viewers a hand dan romanek stan romanek

961
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,640
stan romanek yeah i believe that's his

962
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,799
name yeah i've heard of him i think i've

963
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,480
watched he had a whole bunch of

964
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,279
encounters i think right supposedly well

965
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,399
allegedly he was being followed by

966
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,440
ufos and people saw that yes there's

967
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,840
something strange with him that you know

968
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,360
these things seem to be attracted to a

969
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,120
woman and he started claiming he was

970
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,279
abducted by aliens

971
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,960
and

972
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,640
then they're playing peek-a-boo with him

973
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:00,960
in the windows at night or in the

974
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:03,919
hallways just but you could tell us

975
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,799
to me it's like a cheap balloon or like

976
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:08,720
a pip papi mache

977
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:11,119
uh sort of head that he came up with

978
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,480
that's just playing peek-a-boo with them

979
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,079
in the hallway

980
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,760
or through the window like it's just

981
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,280
it's always just

982
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:18,960
peeking up and then going back down so i

983
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,839
call it peekaboo anyways

984
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,119
i thought that was starting to get

985
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,720
really stupid i'm like why would they

986
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:25,599
travel

987
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,480
light years just to get here to take you

988
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,919
but instead of taking you they're gonna

989
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,520
play peek-a-boo with you knowing full

990
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,240
well you're recording them

991
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:37,679
it makes no sense yeah right and

992
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,720
yeah after a while uh people were were

993
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,639
paying him he had almost like a

994
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,240
following as well

995
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,280
like he almost became like a guru of of

996
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,839
ufology like he had this weird

997
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,520
thing about him

998
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,839
and then this one time on the i think it

999
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,520
was a zoom call

1000
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,920
he's uh you know about high strangeness

1001
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,839
you know just weird things happening all

1002
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,520
the time he was he was saying that

1003
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,079
things were always flying around him

1004
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,320
and you could totally tell that his

1005
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,800
finger came up and released like this

1006
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,280
like the the pencil

1007
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,040
you could tell it was his hand that

1008
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,599
flicked the pencil at his own face

1009
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,960
you could tell it was him he's like oh

1010
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:19,440
it's high strangeness it's like the dude

1011
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,400
he flicked the old pencil like just yeah

1012
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,440
and then

1013
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,240
the people give the ufology a bad name

1014
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,560
right there they're what the skeptics go

1015
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,880
on and say look you believe that like

1016
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,560
you know you believe the same [\h__\h] as

1017
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,880
this idiot yeah and you know maybe those

1018
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:36,880
people are planted who knows maybe it

1019
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,920
really is misinformation and what's five

1020
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,240
or 15 minutes of fame you know for these

1021
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,839
people or they think oh they're they're

1022
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,680
actually believing this like i i've

1023
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:47,200
actually fooled them like i could get

1024
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,320
into this

1025
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:50,240
there was a guy in belgium his name was

1026
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:51,440
billy

1027
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,839
apparently i think the people he

1028
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,680
communicated with were the player in or

1029
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,520
something like that you really got to

1030
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,359
read about this guy because it's deep we

1031
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,560
don't have enough time on this show to

1032
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,720
talk about it long story short he

1033
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,079
believes he's been in communication with

1034
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:08,480
these people for years uh he's been able

1035
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,200
to ask them things at various points in

1036
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,040
his life where he needed direction and

1037
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,599
all the rest but at the end of it to sum

1038
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,720
it all up

1039
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,040
uh you know they know all about us

1040
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,119
they're much older than we are they

1041
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,119
don't live and die like we do they just

1042
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,760
become to the point of like light beings

1043
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,280
where they have a physical form but

1044
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,599
that's only for our recognition

1045
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,359
and they're benevolent and they care

1046
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:33,839
about us and they acknowledge the

1047
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,960
existence of a supreme creator like even

1048
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:38,800
some of these aliens believe in god you

1049
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,680
know like it's it's very reinforcing if

1050
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,520
you're already of that opinion and it's

1051
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:45,200
very interesting if you're already not

1052
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,839
so right um yeah i i would say if we're

1053
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,599
just tossing names out of random people

1054
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,760
that have crazy stories look at billy

1055
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,160
meyer m-e-i-e-r

1056
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:56,480
and uh most of his stuff is in german or

1057
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:57,359
um

1058
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,200
like tri-language but yeah uh if you

1059
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,880
look up billy uh billy myers there's

1060
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:04,400
been you know some english speak

1061
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,440
speaking people that have done

1062
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,599
documentaries on him he's got pictures

1063
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,760
of these things he'd go outside and

1064
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,200
you know sing a hymn and they would show

1065
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,200
up and he's got photographs like actual

1066
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,680
film which is a lot harder to fake than

1067
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,000
digital stuff nowadays right like yeah

1068
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,160
potential effects in movies the guy had

1069
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,720
one arm like just think about it the guy

1070
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,880
the guy had one arm yeah how is he going

1071
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:26,400
to fake it like he's got to hold the

1072
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,440
camera

1073
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,200
while trying to like what throw a

1074
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,720
frisbee-sized

1075
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,440
ufo and capture it just in time with his

1076
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,160
one arm he looks like a one-armed zzz

1077
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,720
top with a similar life to calvin parker

1078
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,960
like never wanted any fame from this but

1079
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,640
yeah they've been talking to me for

1080
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,000
years so what the hell they might as

1081
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,000
well bring it out in the open so

1082
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,000
similar in that respect

1083
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,320
and who knows maybe he was right i don't

1084
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,720
some people swear by it by it to get

1085
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,720
these books that it's really good i

1086
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,880
never got my hands on any copies i keep

1087
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:58,880
looking every time but i'm at the

1088
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,520
bookstore but yeah yeah i don't uh so

1089
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:03,680
back to your stan romanek why why is it

1090
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:06,160
an a in your mind and i don't know him a

1091
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:07,599
or b i've heard the name but i don't

1092
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,400
know

1093
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,920
if he's full of it or not i don't have

1094
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,320
an opinion just just because of who he

1095
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,040
is uh and then he he got caught with uh

1096
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,400
kitty porn too yeah so yeah that sucks

1097
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,800
and that pretty much ruins everything as

1098
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:22,560
far as i'm concerned that he's ever said

1099
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:23,359
right

1100
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:24,480
so

1101
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:29,520
yeah pretty much pretty much i uh let's

1102
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,790
all right what about other like

1103
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,400
subsequent shows that are kind of like

1104
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,960
paranormal based not all necessarily

1105
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,119
full uap all the time like the

1106
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,040
unexplained with william shatner which

1107
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,960
is a history channel production have you

1108
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,119
seen any of those shapes i i haven't

1109
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,079
seen many i've seen maybe two episodes

1110
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,480
i liked them but i i wouldn't say that

1111
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,800
i'm a conessa of uh

1112
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,640
that show at all that was very french of

1113
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,960
you my friend well it's what happens

1114
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,119
when you have a beer you uh come out

1115
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,720
with the french accent so that's all

1116
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:04,160
right we're uh this is the evening

1117
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,680
recording so what the hell we're doing

1118
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,520
oh yeah for sure

1119
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,920
so um yeah i i've watched quite a few of

1120
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,440
those shows again they do touch on

1121
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:13,839
different topics some of it is like you

1122
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,960
know statues in france that are crying

1123
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,800
you know like weird stuff like that some

1124
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:21,040
of it is uap related some of it is

1125
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,400
cryptid

1126
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,240
um you know they've had some pretty

1127
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,320
bizarre stuff on there people with weird

1128
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,720
growths and [\h__\h] like that so i i think

1129
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,160
it's just bill shatner being bill

1130
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,400
shatner do i like bill shatner i think

1131
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,040
he's awesome he's canadian we're proudly

1132
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,119
canadian uh you know he's got the order

1133
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,520
of canada he just went to space you know

1134
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,680
he was on that's pretty cool there's not

1135
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,680
much more this guy can do like would you

1136
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:45,760
stop making us look bad those are big

1137
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,800
shoes to fill bill shatner yeah but i do

1138
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,960
have a great respect for the man and uh

1139
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,040
again you could tell it's similar

1140
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,920
production to like ancient aliens or

1141
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,760
another program like the proof is out

1142
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,000
there they all seem to have similar

1143
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,839
guests similar

1144
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:03,119
themes

1145
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,349
you know the speaking and the uh

1146
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,880
what do they call that when the guy

1147
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,640
who's talking over the show oh the

1148
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,720
narrator the narrator like we're doing

1149
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,079
yeah the narrative always seems to be

1150
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:18,000
pretty similar uh there's even one

1151
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,760
called america's book of secrets they

1152
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:22,079
touch on a lot of similar things

1153
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,920
but i think overall the history channel

1154
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,079
does a pretty good job um with all the

1155
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,240
programming they have whoever's on it

1156
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,680
they're putting out some good materials

1157
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,839
so thank you for what it's worth but uh

1158
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,280
yeah i would give anything from the

1159
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,680
history channel and involving uap

1160
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,800
studies

1161
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,800
or ancient aliens or anything like that

1162
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,280
unexplained i'd say it's it's worth it's

1163
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,960
worth paying the extra couple bucks to

1164
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,560
get the channel every month

1165
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,640
for me i would say the uh unsolved

1166
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:49,200
mysteries all the old ones and the new

1167
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:52,160
ones on netflix as well they're not all

1168
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,839
about uaps or like alien abductions but

1169
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,200
they're good

1170
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,040
the good episodes and the ones that do

1171
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,520
involve uh some sort of abduction

1172
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,680
scenarios they're always good

1173
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,760
reenactments that are done at least the

1174
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:07,200
story is always good

1175
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:08,000
yeah

1176
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,800
and

1177
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,440
yeah i i miss the voice though i'm gonna

1178
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,440
admit like in the newer episodes they

1179
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,960
don't have that

1180
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,680
tonight on unsolved mysteries

1181
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,960
[Laughter]

1182
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,880
yeah well then it became the 90s and

1183
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,280
then the 2000s and then that became not

1184
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,480
so cool so

1185
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,720
yeah the show sort of went down after

1186
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,280
that but uh i still enjoy it i i still

1187
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,599
think there's some good ones in there

1188
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,359
yep for sure i i get a kick out of

1189
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,640
watching things that are produced in

1190
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:36,160
different countries and you know we have

1191
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,599
a lot of guests from the uk and

1192
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,760
australia and all the rest and um

1193
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:41,440
there's one that i watched on amazon

1194
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:44,560
prime was called australian skies now

1195
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:48,240
australian being a l i n at the end of

1196
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:48,880
it

1197
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,359
off random lights and you know

1198
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,359
phenomenon and stuff like that but to

1199
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,520
hear these people get so jacked up and

1200
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,119
excited about the same phenomenon that

1201
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,960
we're jacked up and excited about yeah

1202
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,280
on the total other end of the planet uh

1203
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,880
it just seemed to have a nice symmetry

1204
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,280
to us it's like hey it's not just us

1205
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,040
this isn't something you get on cable tv

1206
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,440
it's a subscription-based program but

1207
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,440
it's nice to see

1208
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,240
um you know well-made productions in

1209
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,319
other countries and you know our friend

1210
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,680
philip mantle who we had on the show a

1211
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,440
couple months ago and he was part of a

1212
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,520
documentary that recently came out and

1213
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,640
we're going to be interviewing more

1214
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,880
people from that production as well in

1215
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,319
the future but

1216
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,839
it's nice to see that there's money

1217
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,599
being spent on this this is high budget

1218
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,280
stuff it's not tacky

1219
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,960
and the stuff that they're bringing out

1220
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,119
is actually new information we watch it

1221
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:39,200
and we learn something new so

1222
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,319
well

1223
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,400
yeah the ratings show

1224
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:44,400
at least the showrunners that we are

1225
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:45,760
interested

1226
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,640
in this sort of material so yeah it

1227
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,560
encourages them to spend more money on

1228
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:52,000
like okay well let's come up with season

1229
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:53,440
two or you know

1230
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,160
could

1231
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,240
look at angel aliens from for crown out

1232
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,560
loud obviously the ratings for that show

1233
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,920
must have been really high because

1234
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,319
they're continuing yeah exactly and they

1235
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,160
continue making them so obviously the

1236
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,079
ratings are there

1237
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,839
like netflix and amazon prime and

1238
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,359
netflix has been in the news lately

1239
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,040
because i think they said in the first

1240
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,040
quarter 200 000 people canceled their

1241
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,119
subscription password sharing is

1242
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,760
becoming a real problem uh they cancel a

1243
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,760
series everybody loves now they boycott

1244
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,880
and they don't want to watch it anymore

1245
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,200
so they're facing their challenges so

1246
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,599
now more than ever you have a voice by

1247
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,040
what you watch

1248
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,680
if you are a viewer of a show it's being

1249
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,000
recorded somewhere that you dig that

1250
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,000
and if there's a lack of you digging

1251
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,920
those shows they don't get rerun and

1252
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,359
they don't get picked up again for

1253
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:39,520
subsequent series and they just get

1254
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:41,680
tanked right so i think if you're into

1255
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,240
this stuff consume the media absorb as

1256
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:46,000
much of it as you can

1257
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,440
hell if you like gardening read

1258
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,040
everything you can possibly read on it

1259
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,560
watch every video you could possibly

1260
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,880
watch on it then you know that you're

1261
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,280
really into that subject so if this

1262
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,119
happens to be your cup of tea

1263
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,640
go hard read it all make your own

1264
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,319
decisions don't be a sheep right make

1265
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,480
your own uh your own opinion on things

1266
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,280
but don't become ignorant either because

1267
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,680
we've all been opinionated at times and

1268
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,280
we've been putting our place pretty

1269
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,160
quick and um quickly brought back down

1270
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,839
to earth you know like we don't know as

1271
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,520
much as we think we do

1272
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,520
having an open-mindedness to this i

1273
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:19,680
think is key for sure oh absolutely and

1274
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,880
that was also a big part of you know a

1275
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,800
lot of

1276
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,960
different points of views on the podcast

1277
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,359
is important and i don't have any like

1278
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:31,760
even i have my differences with the ce5

1279
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,640
stuff but i want people from the ce5

1280
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,040
community to come on the podcast and

1281
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,640
talk about it because

1282
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,200
that changes my point of view right or

1283
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,440
at least allows me to say well why do

1284
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,599
you believe that or how does it work

1285
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,880
right

1286
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,480
that's if we only had people on that

1287
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,319
agreed with us this would be a one-sided

1288
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,720
show oh absolutely discussion with my

1289
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,720
wife the other day i said look it's not

1290
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,960
about the show yeah we do a podcast we

1291
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,119
talk about aliens it's not about aliens

1292
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,440
it's about the show it's the people it's

1293
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,599
the banter you don't have a talk show

1294
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,440
unless you have talk yeah so what you're

1295
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,119
talking about is just the flavor of the

1296
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,680
day but you don't have anything

1297
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,359
unless you have that you know what i

1298
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,599
mean so yeah well

1299
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,680
i'd like to consider myself like the

1300
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,720
whoopi goldberg of this podcast

1301
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,599
okay so i totally get what you mean

1302
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,640
uh yeah i know as far as those shows go

1303
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,800
you can find them on amazon

1304
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:29,520
uh netflix has them actually even disney

1305
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,839
i think has a few

1306
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,640
documentaries has quite a few too i

1307
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,800
wanted to mention expedition x

1308
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,720
you know it's there's a few variations

1309
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,160
of it it's with josh gates it's on

1310
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,319
discovery channel basically it was him

1311
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,880
just doing random research it's kind of

1312
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,720
turned more into paranormal and uap

1313
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,119
based now he has a guy and a girl i

1314
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,839
think jessica and phil they're his new

1315
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,400
hosts and they do things like skinwalker

1316
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,440
ranch beast of bray road bigfoot and

1317
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,440
he'll send them out so it kind of has a

1318
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,520
tacky setup to begin with right they

1319
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,359
have some really high profile guests on

1320
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,359
there they've interviewed lou elizondo

1321
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,839
and sean cahill they feature the tic tac

1322
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,680
video on their show so they're as

1323
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,359
current and up to date as everybody else

1324
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,599
and it's not a very well-known program

1325
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,280
but i do give it my seal of approval

1326
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,680
expedition x it's on discovery channel

1327
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:17,359
and the host is a guy named josh gates

1328
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,040
he has a couple other

1329
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,359
spin-off expeditions

1330
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,960
but it's it's been good i've actually

1331
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:24,880
enjoyed most of his programs which is

1332
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,079
rare i'm usually 50 50 at best but uh i

1333
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,760
will give that one a thumbs up before we

1334
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,920
uh sign off on this episode so yeah i'll

1335
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,599
have to look into that i haven't watched

1336
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,520
it yet and there's like so many others

1337
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,200
too you know like we mentioned the proof

1338
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,119
is out there you mentioned before the

1339
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,400
phenomenon um great movie yeah great

1340
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,680
movie yeah so so yeah just if you don't

1341
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:47,599
don't necessarily use the keywords you

1342
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,720
would normally

1343
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,400
use to search for things internet is

1344
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,520
very algorithmic nowadays ufo has been

1345
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,200
replaced with uap

1346
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,359
if you search ufo on netflix you get one

1347
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,000
set of results you search uap you get

1348
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:02,560
different results same as amazon same as

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youtube same as podcast land so so

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change up your keywords you know the

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internet is is based on popular searches

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so if you don't find as much as you want

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using certain verbage change it up and

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you'd be surprised what pops up so

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happy hunting hey we also want to say uh

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hello to sage by the way who always

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listens to the podcast so one of our

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biggest fans he's a great guy and he

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wasn't super into the the topic until we

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started uh kind of peaking his interest

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and now he's showing us stuff you know

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this guy is as deep as we are

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loves it can't get enough of it so